Should you purchase the DF64 Over the Niche Zero?
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so today we are going to be talking
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about
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the niche zero grinder and also the
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df-64
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now if you guys are familiar with coffee
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you guys have been around the coffee
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community you guys are now just
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beginning to be home baristas
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this is a huge question if you guys do
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not have
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an upgraded grinder and you're looking
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to kind of advance your
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uh your area your workflow and you guys
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are on the fence between the niche
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zero and the df-64
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i'm hoping to answer some of your
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questions today now
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i do have the niche zero grinder right
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here
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and i have ordered i'm just waiting on
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receiving the df-64 so
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i will be comparing the uh the grinders
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together but that's something that i
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also want to talk to you guys today so
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with the two grinders obviously we have
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the niche
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at a 63 millimeter conical bur and
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that's pretty much
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just the way the burrs are aligned and
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also
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you have the df-64 which is a 64
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millimeter flat bur
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now there's some key major differences
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that i would like to kind of point out
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between the two grinders so
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i first want to start out by saying you
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can't go wrong with either one the price
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point is
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pretty much there if you're looking to
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upgrade yes it is pricey however
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it is going to determine the value of
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your shots that you pull on a day-to-day
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basis the way
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that you can get those tasting notes out
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of that extraction with those good
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coffee beans so
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definitely worth the upgrade either way
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you go
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now something that i want to talk about
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is comparing so a lot of people ask me
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can you compare the niche versus the
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atom 75. now i know we're talking about
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the ds64 and the niche
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but i do want to point this out so i get
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asked all the time
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dylan can you please compare the niche
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and the atom 75. now
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i don't think that that comparison is
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fair and let me tell you why
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so number one we're just going to start
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out by the price
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so when you look at the niche the niche
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comes in at about 610 dollars u.s
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now that's expensive yes but
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when you look at that compared to the
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atom 75
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you're looking at half of the cost now
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the atom 75
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i purchased this for fifteen hundred
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dollars
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so if you look at six hundred fifteen
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hundred that's more than half the price
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so just in that note right there
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just kind of going over by taste maybe
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but the big thing is the money so you're
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looking at like a barista express
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compared to a breville dual boiler so
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700 to 1500 so most people can't afford
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the 1500 options so they go with the
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barista express which is a really really
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good
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uh really good espresso machine however
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you still have to upgrade even more
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with the breville dual boiler so let's
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get back on topic here
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just talking about the two grinders here
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really quick so
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you have a flat bur grinder and a
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conical burr grinder
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with the flat burr grinder you are going
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to get
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a lot of different tasting notes than
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you can experience with a conical bur so
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flat burs you're going to get more of
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that chocolatey nutty note so
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really really good for milk-based
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beverages so if you find yourself
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drinking a lot of milk-based beverages
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i would definitely say go with the
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flatburn now i don't know exactly how
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the df-64
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is like i said i'm awaiting the package
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now so i did purchase the df-64 spoiler
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alert
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but i am going to wait until i can
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clarify the difference between the two
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however i can tell you with
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my atom 75 i do prefer
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milk-based beverages better with the
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atom 75 because i really can get that
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nice chocolatey notes out of it so
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just for example i have a
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bean here it's called mexican chiapas by
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good brother so
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if you guys aren't familiar with good
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brothers definitely go and check them
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out you can use code dylan20
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i don't get any kickbacks for this it's
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just i love drinking good coffee and i
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would recommend this to you guys
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you guys can save 20 off your first
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purchase now this has
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the tasting notes of chocolate nuts and
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honey
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so it let's say i have both of them
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right now so i have the df-64 and the
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niche
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in my in in my area right now
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with these and i'm going to make a milk
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based beverage i'm going to use the flat
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bur grinder now
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can you still get a really good shot and
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a really good taste out of that
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milk-based beverage with the niche which
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is a conical burr
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absolutely i'm not going to say one's
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way better than the other now if you
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really really want to get
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into the workflow into just kind of
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developing that
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tasting that palette i would definitely
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get the difference between the both so
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the flat bur grinder is going to bring
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out more of the chocolaty and nutty
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notes
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in my opinion now with the niche
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the niche is really good for let's see
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i'll get just a
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so for a bag like this this tasting
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notes are raisin fig and cocoa so you
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get more of the
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fruity more bright more in my opinion
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acidic
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tasting notes so in my opinion i look at
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these and i want to do pour over or
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aeropress or french press now this is
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kind of the the beans that i will use is
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for a conical burst so these i will
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generally use the niche
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uh both the df64 and the niche seem to
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be
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pretty easy when dialing in now i know
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you can go from the niche
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you can go from pretty much espresso
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grind
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all the way to pour over with little to
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no
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coffee wastage which is really good
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especially if you're looking for an
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all-in-one grinder for at home use
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now static issues with the niche
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i don't really experience too many
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static problems with the niche
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especially when you squirt just a couple
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drops of water into the
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dosing cup it really really makes a big
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difference so if you have not tried that
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or you can take the end of a spoon or a
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fork or a knife
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put that under some water just for a
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second and then just go ahead and stir
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it into the cup with the beans inside
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it really eliminates a lot of that
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static so
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one thing that i have noticed on youtube
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that i
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figured i would point out to you guys
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that i am scared about and worried about
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that i hope i can clarify for you is the
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static issues and
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just the cleanliness of the grinders now
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i can dose
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a 40 gram dose on the niche now yeah
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putting it in here it's very shallow so
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it
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is a very tight fit sometimes beans will
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fall out but
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when i grind it i hardly have any kind
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of coffee grounds that splatter outside
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of the cup
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meaning it doesn't make my workspace
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very messy now
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if you've seen with the df64 not so much
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espresso but when you go to pour over
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you really really experience a lot of
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static you'll see the coffee grinder
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itself be covered in
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just beans grounded up beans and
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also the countertop you see beans just
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flying everywhere
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shredded beans so definitely something
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that i
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am looking forward to uh kind of
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comparing the two to see if that does
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happen
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especially with using the droplet
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technique with the water
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now a couple big points that i would
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like to
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point out here so i did write myself a
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little cheat sheet here just because i
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wanted to make sure that i didn't miss
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anything now
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the df-64 is a 64 millimeter flat bur
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compared to the niche which is a 64 or
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63 millimeter conical bur now
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we've already covered the tasting notes
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as well but i do want to look over
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at uh just the way these two grinders
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work so
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with the flatbert grinders you're going
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to get a more consistent grind now
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i know the motor is way bigger in the
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atom 75
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than in the niche zero that i currently
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own however i do notice
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a lot more consistency in the grinds
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when grinding the beans also i noticed
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that the flat burs are
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a ton more fluffier now this could
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just be because it pretty i just used
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the atom 75s as direct dosing now
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if i use the niche and i don't and i
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dose it into the cup it looks very
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fluffy but then when i go into
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transferring
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it's very very hard to prevent clumps
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now
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that can all be solved with the wdt tool
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but if you don't have the wdt tool and
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you want it just consistent grinds
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it is always better to direct dose now
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there is a mod i believe that decent
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owns
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uh or they have a prototype to where you
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can direct dose
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into your portafilter i made one not too
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too long ago which it was just out of
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wood
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very simple design i'll just go ahead
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and show you guys it's
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kind of goofy but i just thought it was
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a good way to
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uh to do direct dosing which it's worked
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definitely has worked but it is a bit
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messy so
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i'm just gonna go ahead and show you
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guys so this is the
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product that i made out of wood now yeah
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it doesn't look the greatest it's not
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the best
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but i wanted just to find a way to
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direct dose with my
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portafilter so it pretty much
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once you remove this base i made a
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little
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uh part right here which is for the
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screw which is the nut that goes into
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here let me just
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so right there sorry for the camera work
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all right so this just fits right onto
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here and it sits perfectly onto the
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niche now
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i know this is not the most stylish
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thing and i'm sorry
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but it does do the trick and i am just
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going to
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pretty much show you how it works so
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pretty much you just put it right into
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there and it holds the portafilter
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really well
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and it does not move when you grind and
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it's just a really
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easy simple and cheap way to direct dose
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with the niche
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now you can use a dosing funnel
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i have also used this for
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my linen mini so i do like to use
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the magnetic dosing funnel that i had so
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sorry i'm doing this all in one hand so
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if i put this on here like this
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i can also use the funnel
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so now it's a lot closer as you can see
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and it direct doses now this is the big
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thing
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in my opinion that's going to separate
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the niche from the df64 or the df64 from
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the niche
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is the fact that you can slide a 58
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millimeter portafilter
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right into the slot of the df64 and it
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just directly doses which
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is going to make for fluffier grinds and
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less clumps now
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that is a positive with the df-64
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over the niche however they are two
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different
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kinds of grinders like i mentioned
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earlier and i'm gonna keep mentioning
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one is a flat bur and one is a conical
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burst so
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it's really really hard to compare the
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two now
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i would say once i get my ds64
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in and i do more videos i will probably
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end up
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keeping both grinders and the reason
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being is because like i mentioned the
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tasting notes
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that you get out of both grinders are
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just two completely different tasting
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profiles which
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i think is really neat and as a coffee
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lover
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and just really trying to experiment
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just taking some weekends i mean there's
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times where i wake up and i just
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experiment for hours so
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if you're one of those people having
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both would be absolutely
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probably the best option now yes
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that would be like a 1200 investment
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1300
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investment to get both so sorry again
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for the camera work
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um but if you're looking back we're
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going to take some
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more notes on here both systems
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can have a bellow so if you look at the
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df-64
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it does have that bellow system to make
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it a true zero dosing grinder now
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uh niche does not uh produce this this
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is actually a product on amazon
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uh it goes right over the niche cup or
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the
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niche kind of dosing area and
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it just makes for a single dosing so you
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come right in through here
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and it's really good for zero retention
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so
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this is about nine dollars on amazon and
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it's pretty much like acts as a bellow
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system
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so if you look at that aspect pretty
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much both the same now more stylish
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obviously the df-64 in that in that area
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wins
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just because it is built into the
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grinder itself
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you don't have to accommodate something
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off amazon like this
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and just kind of keep around to use it
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whenever you want it so
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again that is another positive for the
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df-64 so
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more to note with flatburg grinders
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generally speaking
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flatburg grinders are a lot louder than
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conical bird grinders
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i mean this one the niche on right here
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so i have my
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mic on so you'll be able to hear it
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very very quiet um now you go into
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something like my atom 75
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let's see if i can get it just to
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a big noticeable difference there and
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that's not even grinding beans
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so i don't know if you guys could hear
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that pretty well but
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with flatburr grinders they are
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generally a lot louder
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than conical burr grinders now
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with flatburr grinders you also get more
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heat so
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heat can actually play a big role in
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impacting the taste
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on your espresso shot so when it comes
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to a flat bird grinder
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technically speaking with the more heat
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that it produces
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because there is more friction caused by
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a flat burr grinder so
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with the flatbed grinders you have two
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grinders pretty much stacked on top each
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other that are just rubbing against each
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other
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um that creates high friction so another
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thing to know is you are going to expend
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more energy
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with a flatbur grinder motors are
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generally going to be
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a little bit stronger because they have
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to work harder than conical burs as well
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so
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um without having the df-64
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in in hand right now just comparing what
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i have
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i would say that it's really up to you
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do you drink more milk based beverages
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do you like more
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pour overs i'm a big fan of both
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so i think that being able to have both
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grinders and being able to experiment
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with both of them in here and on my
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channel obviously
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is going to be huge and beneficial to me
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now i know a couple of our subscribers
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do have
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both and they chose to keep or they're
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going to choose to keep both
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and that's just because like i said the
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different tasting notes that you can get
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if you're a coffee enthusiast
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it's just something that is a lot more
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beneficial
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so that is going to be the review
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on the niche versus the df-64 i will
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have a lot more
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for you guys when the df-64 comes in
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i did purchase from uh speedy 3d
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creations which is from cy
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so again big shout out to cy um i
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really enjoy helping the coffee
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community so
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that's why i decided to purchase through
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cy
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you guys can as well i will drop the
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link when the video ends
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i also did create a patreon account so
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that you can support the channel
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monthly now you don't have to i
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appreciate all of you guys who
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just watched the video who give it a
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thumbs up giving it a thumbs up
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really really helps our video our
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creators it really helps us create more
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content and to be seen
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now with this patreon account that i
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have all the money that is raised
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through the patreon account
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will be going right back into the
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channel for new equipment
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uh whether it's tools and accessories
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you guys want me to review
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uh espresso machines i will put in my
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money as well
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to purchase these as um to get more
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going on through the channel so i can
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get more stuff for you guys
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also with the patreon account those of
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you who do support me through the app
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or through my patreon account i will be
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doing merchandise so there will be doing
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some espresso bar merchandise
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soon to come i'm hoping to get a couple
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sweatshirts and t-shirts
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and just different stuff to put my logo
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on as well so that you guys can support
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me that way as well and i really really
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appreciate all of the love and support
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you guys have shown for me
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there's a lot of big plans coming up for
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dillon's home espresso bar
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maybe under a new name when i finally
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get licensed
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get my other hand back and then i can
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start serving the community
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freshly roasted and delicious coffee so
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again i thank you guys so much for the
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love and support i also want to give a
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shout out to
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dane for sending me a super sticker
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uh so this is also a way that you can
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support the channel as well
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it is called super sticker super chat it
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allows you during my live videos you can
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actually send me money
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to help me out and all the money that i
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raise on this as well
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will be going into the funds of dylan's
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almost wrestle bar and coming right back
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into the channel
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for products to review for you guys to
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see so
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i am going to go ahead and look at some
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of the questions here if you guys have
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any questions
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please leave them down in the comments
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below if you guys have
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uh if you guys need extra help or would
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like to join me
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i will be going on instagram right after
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this you guys can ask me any questions
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there
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as well so let's see
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the niche will be available 24 hours for
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pre-order august delivery so
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if you guys are looking to get a niche
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definitely jump onto that it's going to
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be very very hard
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because i got the email so let's see
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pretty inventive
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also deliver the base so yes eduardo
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also says that cy did just create a base
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for the ds64 which i believe
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tilts the grinder at a 10 degree
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incline i believe or actually be
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declined 10 degrees
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so it allows pretty much it allows
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gravity to work
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with the df-64 to allow the beans
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to to flow more freely out to where
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there is
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less grinds in the hopper to where you
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have to use the bellow system so
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definitely check out that as well i'll
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also link that down below
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once he finishes this prototype i
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believe he's still working on the
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prototype
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all right so thank you guys so much
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again for tuning in i know this was
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uh just kind of like a rambled on video
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but i really wanted to show you guys the
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main differences between
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the df-64 and the niche zero grinder
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like i said
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i did purchase the df-64 i am waiting
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for it to arrive
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so definitely want to give a shout out
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to
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cy as well and 3d creations for
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helping me out and finally being able to
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get the df64 in here so have you looked
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into getting the needle valve for your
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linen mini
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i have so one thing is is the
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i'm pretty sure the needle valve that
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you're talking about is just to help the
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uh
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the pressure flow go from a nine bar to
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a six bar pressure or a seven bar
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pressure
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um i really wanna keep it stock right
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now i have a problem with
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spending seven thousand dollars on a
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machine to
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open it up and change it up right away
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so i really want to just keep using it
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kind of dive into it now i haven't dived
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into the linea mini as much as i should
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have by now
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especially with owning it for like two
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months or three months now
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but i really really want to and i'm
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going to
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soon enough as soon as i get the second
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hand back i'm really going to show you
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guys
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exactly what this thing can do now the
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only bad thing with the linea mini is it
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is just
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this paddle it looks nice but it's just
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an on off switch so
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that is one thing that i like but then
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again i dislike about the machine just
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because
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you really have to do everything with
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technology so everything
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is through the app uh that you can
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change the pre-infusion the temperature
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and stuff like that
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i really like more of like a hands-on
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kind of like uh the little lip bianca
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so i know dane you have the lillette
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bianca and you can do pressure profiling
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and stuff like that that's something
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that i really like
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and hoping that with the people who
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support me
20:39
on my patreon account um i can fund
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enough money to
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purchase the let bianca so that way i
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can get more into
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profiling pressure profiling my shots
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and stuff like that so i can give you
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guys more
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of a kind of like a baseline to
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how you can change the shot of an
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espresso
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i can't really do that with the linea
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mini unfortunately however
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the linen mini i did purchase because
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like i said i'm going to be owning my
21:09
coffee cart
21:10
so it's going to pretty much be my daily
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driver that with my atom 75 so
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that is why i paid for both of those i
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now have my
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flow profile yes
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all right so thank you guys so much for
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tuning in
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i will catch you guys in my next video
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i'm hoping to do another
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live later today and it's going to be
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showing you the differences
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of all the dosing cups that i have here
21:36
i have one two three
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four five dosing cups here now so i want
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to just kind of compare them
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what i like about them what i don't like
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about them and what i
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believe that the total um
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experience is with each of them so again
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thank you guys so much if you guys have
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any questions
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i'm going to be jumping onto instagram
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live right after this so i will see you
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guys there
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peace