Turin DF64 vs. Niche Zero | The Battle of Single Dose Coffee Grinders
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good morning hello and welcome back
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okay if your first time joining us for
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my live streaming uh welcome
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uh welcome to the my life and i'm glad
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you guys are here this morning
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uh my stream is not like unlike any
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other
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like videos out there pretty much you
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know you and i we are
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chit-chatting about coffee and i'm gonna
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show you some product reviews and
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you know kind of like small very casual
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setting very fun and also
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uh my wife is taking questions questions
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as well so after we are
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i'm done with you know showing you the
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demo and then you can ask
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me you know anything related to coffee
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okay so this morning it's gonna be a lot
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of fun i'm comparing
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niche versus df-64
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okay uh before i'm gonna uh thanks to
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uh james ed nish and also joe from
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espresso outlet
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kind of like sending us you know their
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grind to review
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on my channel actually i had this niche
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for years uh james was nice enough to
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send me
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this grinder about two years ago so yeah
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it's been really
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i mean working you know it's been
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fantastic and then i just got this
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niche uh df64 recently from joe from
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express outlet
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yeah so we are going to compare side by
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side
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this morning and then let's find out i
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don't want to say which one is better
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and the which one is a better suit for
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you so
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since i'm showing you live and hopefully
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you guys are going to catch
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you know all the good and the bad about
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both grinders
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okay so let's get going here i mean
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obviously they are both
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uh single dose they're single dose
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grinder
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but so let's take a look at the
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aesthetic of it i mean if you're new to
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the
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niche or this df-64 let's start with the
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niche comes design wise
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man that did they did a home run on this
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one okay
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very simple on and off switch pretty
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much
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it uh there comes with a 63 millimeter
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conical bur
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inside uh they're uh same as a mozzer
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koni okay a major corny bird set
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so a 64 millimeter conical burr they're
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amazing
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coffee grinder and to the back
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okay i have to say i think niche did
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great job
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because they are cable management i mean
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this thing alone
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you can if you have an unused cord
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just push back in to the the back here
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so it comes to managing the cable
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management
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man it's a lot better than obviously
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df64
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the f64 there's no cable management
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yeah this you know cable is you gotta
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just fold it
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but you know what some people may be big
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deal
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some people are not but personally i
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mean since i'm in the computer business
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i mean i love the the cable management
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so and for that
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i have to definitely thumbs up a niche
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okay
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and the overall design
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very slick okay kind of like apple like
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man
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looks great overall look and feel
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just wear polished coffee grinder okay
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okay so let's go on to df64
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so df-64 kind of like remind me of my
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mother mini at shop
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very simple design they got 64
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millimeter flat bird there
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and then the only upgrade i did i this
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this the dial
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indicator from my friends at portal
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keeper
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so so it's about what 10 or 12 upgrades
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it's definitely worth it because
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so here is the kind of like the line for
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the indicator light
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you can't even see it so having that
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dial
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definitely helps right now my current
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setting is at number 15 right now
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kind of like right on between on
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espresso
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with a niche you move the dial from the
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top there
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again they give you this very clear mark
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so also this one set at 15 as well so
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this morning
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we are going to put the shot and then
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i'm going to show you guys the workflow
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and then let's see here again so niche
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does not have bellow
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like this sometimes what i do is i use
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the
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palm or shake it but this one i found
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from amazon this suction cup man works
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amazing
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okay so that one you just simply
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put in there just pump it that's it
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about three or four pumps same as
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just like the f64 pumping action
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so get the rest of coffee grinds up okay
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so let's get so this morning i have a
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brand new bags okay a brand new bag of
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coffee
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so i have not dialed in this coffee yet
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so because i'd like to show you guys the
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workflow
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okay so this is the brand new bag from
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good brothers coffee this is a naturally
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processed coffee beans
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let's see tasting note is a honey
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rose water man sounds amazing okay
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so let's dial then we are going to use a
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19 gram
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okay both and also
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we are going to use a bottomless polar
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filter as well
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so so this case you guys are going to
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see the the quality of the grinds okay
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so here's the one thing okay
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i've been using niche for the last
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couple years so this is well seasoned
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but df64 i only use about three times
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so if you see the channeling because
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once you this thing
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this grind df64 flat for grind is nicely
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in season
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uh within another couple week or so
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we're gonna get a lot more consistent
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shot
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but i mean don't be alarmed by
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if you see some challenging on the f64
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once you start using it for a while it's
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gonna get better so
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so let's start with uh niche first okay
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let's start with the niche
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by the way if you are watching my
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channel most likely you guys have
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bravo bristol expresso pro okay which
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means you have
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54 millimeter porter filter
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and i know some of you out there having
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a 58 millimeter standard machine
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i mean their even niche
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cup is made for 58 not 54.
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so so you might have to get them maybe
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like dosing funnel
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but luckily
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uh friends at crema products come up
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with this dosing cup okay
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fits right into 54 millimeters so that's
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what we're gonna use for niche
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it comes to df-64 i'm going to talk
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about that
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all right
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somebody somebody why newborns china
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because it's not
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because the edge is extremely sharp okay
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so you have to kind of like
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okay uh if if some experts out there
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okay
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some experts out there can you let me
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know in the comment section i'd love to
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hear from my
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uh you guys thoughts because whatever
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just like whenever you're buying like
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a brand new birth set you have the
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initial
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you have to you know what yeah i'm gonna
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leave it up to experts
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okay to explain on my channel okay you'd
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be great okay but someone can answer it
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because
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that's what i heard from all my friends
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okay my friends are you know they're
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expert at you know coffee grinder uh
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everybody told me when you gotta wait
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about you know
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a week or so once you get seasoned and
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everything's over nicely
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i don't wanna say warmed that but yeah
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so yeah i mean that's why but i think
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it's going to get better
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times go by but again if you know the
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exact answer
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please let me know okay so this is brand
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new coffee beans
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[Applause]
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wow smells wonderful guys man smells
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fantastic so we're going to do a 19 gram
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okay so i'm gonna we are going to start
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with the niche
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first
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[Applause]
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so this is more like medium light to
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medium roast
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here more like medium though okay i
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say medium okay so start with okay we
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are going to start testing
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the single dose portion okay so how
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accurate this uh coffee grinder is
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so what uh what i'm what i'm trying to
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say is what's the retention rate it's
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going to be like okay
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i got 18.9 19.1 gram
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okay so let's get going
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so i have 19.1 gram
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i'm just making sure get all the coffee
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grinds out from the
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my niche okay
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just make sure i'm cleaning everything
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up
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you can see you see some little bit of
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coffee grind
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okay now we are good to go 19.1
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hold on a second guys i'm doing it wrong
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19.1 gram
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as you can see they are messy frayed
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okay
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i really like their dosing cups there
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once i'm done with it
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lift it and i do about like three pounds
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okay you guys remember that right 19.1
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18.9 gram out so we have 0.2 grams
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missing
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okay hold on maybe we can find something
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a little more
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no you know we're not going to okay
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let's be fair so we got
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19.1 and then we are at
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18.9 grams so we are about 0.02 gram is
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missing
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you know a 0.2 gram okay
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that's not bad that's not bad at all
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so here's what we're going to do okay so
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now we are going to
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use
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df-64 so here's what i've done because
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whenever i use this just a plastic cup
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there
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you see the distance between the shoots
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and then cup
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sometimes you we have some static issues
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so i'm trying to remedy that by
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i have an old dosing cup
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pop it in so now that distance is
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reduced
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considerably so we're going to get a
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better result
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good
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i'm just going to flip it it's kind of
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like hard to do with one hand there
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by the way if you are just joining us uh
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welcome okay welcome to the channel make
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sure press like on this video
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do so
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so we're going to do 19 grams
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so with the niche about 0.2 grime
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let's find out about the df-64 okay
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we got 19 gram here
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read it
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by the way if you are if you guys know
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where the power button
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is right on the bottom
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wrap it up you are started
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[Music]
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again there's no static issues or
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there's no grinds coming up
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works pretty good and at this point i
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just like to do about couple pumps
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[Music]
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that's it looks pretty good in there as
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well
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[Music]
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so you got 19 in
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18.8 gram out so 0.2 grams so it comes
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to
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single dose wise i mean that does the
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job
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okay you guys seen it first
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so both about point to gram if i'm gonna
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just plunge
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even harder i mean i bet you i can get
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like point one gram out but
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you know it's not a big deal okay point
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to gram or
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0.1 gram if you want to be a little
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precise
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if you want to put another beans in it
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make a 19 gram but
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i mean both pre-accurate okay so you got
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yeah so okay oops
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okay there we go so let's put some shot
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okay let's start with
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i'm just gonna heat up my shot glass
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so this is a big test okay
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by the way
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i set up number 15 for both of them kind
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of like middle of the road
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we may have to adjust the i mean
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espresso
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grinder size but i guess i want to show
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you guys the
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the workflow so
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so with this one just simply pop it in
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here
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flip it over
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i mean that's it
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make sure whenever you lift it lift it
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slowly okay
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just like so i'm not going to do the wdt
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right now okay
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i usually do whenever i use the
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bottomless but i'm not going to do that
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because i like to show you guys the and
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the grinder quality without wdt
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i shoot but i'm not going to okay
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lock it in it
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i'm going to be doing one to two ratio
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okay
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about 18 19 grime in and i'm trying to
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shoot for around 40 grand
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all right let's see it here we go
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[Music]
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so
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okay sure looks good very thick and rich
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hopefully they're gonna come together
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pretty soon there
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yeah definitely chanting going on to the
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side but
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you know what i can live with that
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[Music]
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it's definitely finer shot
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okay it looks pretty good overall i
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didn't see any
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like you know splashing to the side
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it's about what 40 second shot there
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don't look at the man look at the color
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of it
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just beautiful goodness
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that looks pretty good okay so let's try
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this shot
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okay so this is a niche okay
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again so this is i mean we are only
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first time trying this this coffee here
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it smells fantastic
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let me get the spoon ready
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you see that that rich crema on the top
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there very dark
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so cheers
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wow no kidding
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goodness
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i i wish you guys are here uh taste this
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i don't know about you guys but this is
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my first time trying the natural pr uh
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naturally processed coffee beans and
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talking about the
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the honey and rose water
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i mean i can actually
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this is amazing okay this is really good
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i mean just if you are watching the
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natural process way to go
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okay so so that's for that
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okay so i'm trying to uh remember the
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the text here right now
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i'm just gonna move on to
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df64
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okay and after that i'm gonna share with
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you my thoughts on both coffee grinders
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okay but unfortunately
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i don't have the right cut for that but
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i do
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so what i'm going to do is i'm just
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going to transfer from here
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okay
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i'm just gonna flip it over
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i'm just gonna shake it
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i'm just gonna distribute
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i think i lost some like maybe one or
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two gram
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when i'm shaking it but let's see
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okay so niche was that shot and then
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let's go
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with df64
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all right
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[Music]
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okay i see some little bit of channeling
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for a shot it looks beautiful okay
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[Music]
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primer
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about 30 seconds so this is a better
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shot comes to shot
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time wise and then obviously you guys
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saw some uh channeling there so
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a little bit of channeling but i think
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that's something i was expected
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but again the beautiful crumb on the top
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okay let's try this one
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you know what i don't mind a little bit
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of channeling as long as you know you've
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got the the final result is good
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okay i'm very excited about this shot
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here
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so this conical versus flat bur so
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the conical bird tended to bring out all
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the the free notes
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in coffee the flapper is more
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more balanced more fuller taste more has
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more body let's put it away
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cheers okay
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yep definitely
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it's completely different flavor okay
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of like more mild more balanced
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with a conical bur i can taste that
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really brightness so
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okay so both fantastic
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coffee grinders okay i mean as you guys
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saw the workflow wise
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i mean very similar in a way
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i mean having the you know definitely
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having
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the extra cup on the top that reduce the
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the
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kind of spillage to the side so
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definitely worthwhile
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and as you can see i felt like df-64 has
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a little bit
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more static issues okay but not too bad
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compared to niche more cleaner okay
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but i mean man boys that's tough okay
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but again the conical bird is like known
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for you know
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because a lot of pull over i love pro
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over okay
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and they're like uh v60 i i think i
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prefer with the conical bird
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but is it all subjective it's not it's
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all depend on what you like the best
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okay you like the you know filet mignon
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versus you like hamburger helper you
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know kind of like a difference you know
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some people likes other than you know
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so i mean if you guys are like okay
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here's my thoughts on that if you guys
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like if you guys like to do a lot more
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pull over okay
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i think i personally i go with conic
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rubber
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but if you you like to do like a lot of
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espresso
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like chocolate notes and what else
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like nutty flavor if you guys like to do
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the like you know
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very strong bring out the really
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sweetness in the coffee
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i think i go with the flapper okay but
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here's my thoughts you know
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again i mean bravo booster pro or
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express has the clinical verb already in
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there
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but compared with bro uh bravo versus
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niche man the niche give you that more
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balance
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shot and just bring out all the
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sweetness
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ideally have both
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okay that's ideal but if someone asks me
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let's talk about price 450
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for df-64 shift okay free shipping
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450. and then niche you're looking at
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695. so it's a 500 pound so it's about
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695
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and plus you have to pay shipping on
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this so you're looking around 750.
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so 450 versus 70 is about 300
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difference but you have to wait okay
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that's the thing about the niche
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the issue is really really popular right
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now sold out a matter of hours
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so if you guys want something
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again i mean if you guys want the look
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of niche
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have passion with it wait just make sure
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you get it from the niche website
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i saw on aliexpress the other day
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they're selling for twelve hundred
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dollars
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that's ridiculous so i mean if you guys
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want to look
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and feel for the niche just wait and get
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from the website
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okay the niche.com i think a niche i
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think i'm going to put the link down
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below as well
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but i mean if you want to save some
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money
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ds64 is also a pretty good option as
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well
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because so this is the it's called turin
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okay
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tournament so df65 is different from my
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giatto
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it's our same grinder giada your torrent
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some other names whole bunch of names
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out there but
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so this particular one let me show you
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the back
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as well they did
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i mean you know that's pretty slick okay
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pretty slick beautiful you know i mean
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goodness they have a nice you know
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lettering on the bottom
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on the top there i mean looks
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you know what that's kind of like poor
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man's
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the option oh okay the optional makestar
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lagoon
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coffee grinder that's kind of a poor
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man's version of it
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uh they're both 64 millimeter flatburst
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so yeah i mean that both
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personally i really like it okay
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personally i like both but
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if your money is tight the df64 might be
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the good option for you guys
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the beer quality i go with
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a niche okay better quality in a way
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more stylish
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definitely an issue looks a lot better
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but comes to like build
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the ruggedness can beat this this thing
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is a lot heavier than niche okay
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i know some people love to do like
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direct dosing
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there's you have a lot of options as
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well okay you can do a lot of options
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for direct dosing so
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let me show you how how i do it with
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direct dosing on
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df64 okay this is kind of like bonus
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feature for you guys
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i'm just gonna clean it up by the way so
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there
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okay so last shot was i thought a little
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slower okay so since i'm going to show
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you guys the direct dosing portion of it
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so let me show you what i'm going to do
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okay so right now i'm at set at number 6
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15. i'm going to change it to number
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16 okay it's hard to do one hand
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something like that okay i'm just gonna
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change to like 16.
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and then let me show you how i do direct
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dosing
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when i'm using df64 i tried it once this
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morning
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works pretty good so this is like you
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know dosing funnel
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i mean i think it's a thomas or cy made
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it for me years ago okay i don't
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remember
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but this one
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fits right in like so
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you can just put it right here okay so
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that's what we're gonna do
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so let's do 19 gram
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again okay
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if you guys are watching this after live
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show
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just fast for this boring part but
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if you guys out there thank you for
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joining us this morning
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[Applause]
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okay so this is fun part because i love
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direct dosing okay
27:44
so we're gonna do 19 gram we go
27:49
watch this
27:53
all right again comes the workflow it's
27:56
pretty
27:57
simple
28:00
it's kind of hard to do one hand but
28:03
hold a second
28:08
okay here we go
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[Music]
28:27
not bad isn't it i mean work the
28:31
quality is pretty good okay i haven't
28:32
done anything this is pretty much the
28:34
stock okay stock per set
28:38
i mean nothing there hold on a second
28:42
what i'm gonna do is
28:51
i'm just gonna pump a little bit
28:59
again uh look at the grind quality
29:02
pretty good okay
29:03
so this is my what fourth time using it
29:08
you know what let's do wdt on this one
29:11
let's do a little bit of wdt i don't
29:13
think we need to but
29:16
wdt
29:19
and then i have this homemade pork break
29:23
from 3d from john
29:27
just gonna rake it
29:31
good
29:35
let's pull the shot i wonder we're gonna
29:38
get a better shot than
29:40
one before okay
29:44
let's find out just
29:47
even pressure
29:56
i betcha we're gonna get a better shot
29:57
than last time
30:06
okay do the same as the last one
30:10
one to two ratio
30:15
here we go
30:22
take a look
30:33
so this is the f64 a second shot
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[Music]
30:56
oh i see some donut there as well
31:04
a lot of donuts but yeah the shell looks
31:07
overall
31:08
even i think it's better than last one
31:11
looks pretty good besides doing it
31:16
but i think i bet you know is this is
31:19
someone actually explained about the
31:20
season
31:21
bursa yet okay so
31:25
again the shot looks really good
31:27
fantastic
31:29
so let's try that okay
31:38
so this second shot of df64 cheers
31:44
oh yeah much better much better
31:49
but the the conical burp they'll bring
31:51
out the very fritness of the
31:54
uh your coffee so this is more balanced
32:00
this one from uh niche a lot more
32:02
brighter
32:03
sweeter yeah so i guess all depends on
32:06
what you guys like
32:07
okay it's all depends on what it looks
32:09
like
32:10
so so now
32:14
you guys seen it so let me know in the
32:15
comment section there you guys prefer
32:18
niche or df-64 love to hear from you but
32:21
if you have df64 at home please let me
32:23
know do you like it
32:25
or you don't and i saw james huffman did
32:28
a video on this one
32:29
he's a df64 niche killer
32:32
i i don't think you know what i don't
32:34
think we're not comparing the
32:35
right machine because they're both
32:37
they're completely different machine
32:39
even though same bird size similar but
32:42
you got conical versus
32:43
flat different price point
32:47
i mean you guys are into design the
32:48
stylish versus
32:50
more like practical i mean if you're
32:53
looking for some practical coffee
32:54
grinder
32:55
single dose if you don't mind being a
32:58
little bit
32:58
messier a df-64 is
33:02
good you know fantastic grinder for that
33:05
but if you want to match with your
33:07
aesthetic on your kitchen
33:09
your coffee bar coffee studio if you
33:12
have it
33:13
i mean this is all i mean this is just
33:15
fits
33:16
fits perfectly this looks better so
33:20
kind of up to you you want to go for the
33:22
look
33:24
and now both has a both has a great
33:26
quality of it i mean both i like it
33:29
and then you can do some a little bit of
33:31
modification as well with
33:33
uh with df-64 you can actually
33:36
replaced with the actual mazda the super
33:39
jolly
33:40
bird set if you guys want to or we can
33:42
replace with the ssp
33:44
version of it there's a lot of
33:46
modifications out there
33:48
but with a niche it's somewhat limited
33:51
so
33:51
again ssp birthday is about 250 or so
33:56
so this is well about 450.
33:59
if you're going to add to another 250
34:01
bring up to 700 bucks
34:03
pretty much the same in line with the
34:05
niche but you know what those burst sets
34:09
it's gonna it's gonna make difference in
34:11
shock quality i'm not sure
34:13
uh if you have ssp burst set at home
34:16
let me know okay i think a cy has one cy
34:18
has a df-64 with ssp
34:21
if you are let me see why can you tell
34:24
the difference in taste
34:25
okay hold on we have some questions yes
34:34
okay based on the flavor taste you know
34:36
what
34:37
since i like to drink like a lot of
34:39
americana okay or long black
34:42
in your country then i think i go with
34:44
the niche price is not an issue
34:46
but if you are like you know if you if
34:48
you love espresso
34:50
like chocolate or you know strong
34:52
chocolate and nutty flavor
34:53
something i think you go with a flat
34:56
flapper but
34:57
again that's why if you go to most cafes
35:02
most places they use flat bur a coffee
35:05
grinder
35:06
so this all depends but yeah uh if
35:09
money is not an issue i go with
35:11
conocober
35:12
personally what else
35:16
um this isn't a question about the
35:18
grinder but one of the viewers carla
35:20
wants to understand your horticulture
35:23
the naked portafilter what does it mean
35:26
when
35:27
all the flow isn't going through all the
35:29
basket is that
35:30
good bad okay because it comes to like
35:33
naked
35:33
pore filter that shows you the okay
35:36
first of all that shows the quality of
35:37
the grinds okay
35:38
the because you are compact so compact
35:41
that
35:42
fine grind if once your water hits
35:45
the water wants to go easy has to go out
35:48
okay
35:48
if the grind is somewhat uh all uniform
35:52
and
35:52
well distributed go at the same time
35:55
that's why you got the nice you know
35:57
uh coffee you know the bottomless
35:59
particulate is come out very nicely and
36:01
smooth
36:02
but if you're something uneven grind
36:04
size not uniform
36:05
you see that you know sideways you know
36:08
you know i mean spits out
36:09
so kind of like just tell you the you
36:11
know quality of the
36:12
coffee grinds and your distribution i
36:15
don't use
36:16
bottomless portafilter 99 at a time
36:18
unless if i do like presentation like
36:20
this
36:21
most times i use the regular
36:25
it okay because i don't have to worry
36:28
about channeling
36:29
works pretty good so yeah i mean if you
36:32
have you know if you have bottomless
36:34
great that's great teaching tool okay
36:37
but
36:38
by the way i'm using the
36:41
18 to 20 gram basket from amazon instead
36:44
of the 16 to 18
36:45
gram basket from uh bravo okay
36:49
personally i like the 18 or 18 to 20
36:52
gram baskets
36:53
a lot easier to work with you don't have
36:55
to worry about spillage yeah so
36:58
perhaps it's not that expensive it's
36:59
about 15 bucks okay i'm gonna put the
37:01
link down below as well but yeah
37:03
uh you can get the ims filter basket for
37:06
like 38 dollars but they are
37:08
they're like 18 to 22 gram baskets okay
37:12
if you are using the lighter roast i put
37:14
about 25 gram on that one so
37:16
if you guys like strong if you you got
37:18
like a lot of espresso
37:20
ims is also pretty good option as well
37:23
depending on the ratio you can put even
37:26
25 gram
37:27
one to two about 50 gram how if you go
37:29
like one to three ratio
37:32
75 gram out so yeah it all depends on
37:34
what you guys want but
37:35
i mean but again the
37:38
filter basket the bottomless great
37:41
teaching tool
37:45
okay said his preference is the niche as
37:48
well but it's good to have both
37:50
depending on what flavors again i mean
37:53
they
37:54
they mentioned about it's nice to have
37:56
both
37:57
but the problem is let's see the space
38:00
issue
38:00
okay most of us like us okay i mean this
38:04
is it so this is my kitchen coffee
38:07
counter
38:08
if you have to coffee grinder
38:11
man you out of luck okay so
38:14
i mean if you have since you have the
38:17
conical bird on bravo
38:19
so if money is not you should get a nice
38:22
flapper
38:22
okay so you can try the different ways
38:24
because
38:26
you know what bravo building grinder
38:28
it's not too bad okay they're pretty
38:29
good
38:30
oh by the way so i'm gonna shout out to
38:33
uh dane for super
38:35
sticker super chat thank you for that
38:37
and also i'm gonna shout out to
38:38
richard lee uh he hooked me up with the
38:42
paypal donation
38:44
he's very generous okay thanks richard
38:46
if you are watching
38:47
so right now we are up to 400 right now
38:50
for the
38:51
uh our next the coffee machine so 400
38:55
and i'm looking at i'm really looking at
38:58
the little
38:59
bianca at the moment bianca has
39:02
all the features i'm looking for flow
39:04
control
39:05
durable dual boiler rory pump
39:08
little bianca has everything so yeah so
39:11
i'm looking into that right now but
39:12
unless something changes some other
39:14
machine pops up
39:16
but so that's the one okay so far
39:19
okay what else why not use the wdt tool
39:24
all the time
39:25
someone asked me why not use the wdt
39:27
tools all the time okay so what if i use
39:29
the
39:30
like spouted ones i you know
39:33
i don't use the okay the fact is you
39:35
know what
39:37
because because i want to be practical
39:39
in the morning
39:42
you know i have to make about three four
39:43
coffee in the morning i just
39:45
you know i i don't like to just play
39:47
with wdt because
39:48
i don't care about the channeling i
39:50
don't care about the
39:52
shock quality because all my family
39:54
drink has a
39:55
baked drink so yeah we usually put a
39:57
shot
39:58
put some add some milk and some shot of
40:01
caramel that's it so yeah
40:03
but whatever i drink you know by myself
40:05
at home
40:06
definitely i'll do wdt
40:09
and how long were your shots how long is
40:12
my shot the
40:13
the good old question okay extraction
40:15
time all depends on you know okay once
40:17
you
40:18
set the time you guys playing on the
40:21
unit
40:21
sometimes whenever so with bribery
40:24
pro has a built-in timer so i like to
40:28
between like 30 and 35 seconds for my
40:30
shot for this one
40:32
and some of you out there see the first
40:35
drop
40:36
between 25 and 30 seconds but
40:39
play with both methods and then
40:42
find out what tastes the best for you
40:45
and stick with that time
40:47
okay again this is your coffee
40:50
you know i mean there's a lot of
40:52
information out there on youtube
40:54
but you know what this is your coffee
40:57
don't
40:57
don't anybody tell you about how do you
40:59
drink your coffee okay
41:01
because hopefully you're gonna find the
41:03
coffee you like and just stick with it
41:04
you know kind of just play
41:06
with it that's why having your own
41:07
machine is so much fun
41:09
so yeah justin wants to know are you
41:11
converted to trying more naturals now
41:16
you know what justin uh this natural
41:18
process i have to say this is amazing
41:20
okay to bring us so much flavor so yeah
41:23
i mean definitely
41:25
i mean if i can get more uh naturally
41:27
processed ones i definitely try more but
41:28
yeah so
41:29
i'm planning on using it more okay but
41:32
yeah
41:33
by the way if you haven't tried
41:34
naturally processed coffee beans highly
41:36
recommend it
41:37
uh by the way the good brothers coffee i
41:39
have the 27 percent coupon code
41:42
underneath as well i'm done with it
41:43
make sure to try it out their coffee too
41:46
free fresh um
41:47
you were asked what about pacinio
41:50
presidio okay yeah yeah
41:54
positive 54 million basket they're great
41:56
i mean if you can get the
41:58
basket get it okay because they're a lot
42:02
better than broadway stock baskets
42:04
they're 16 to 18.
42:06
yeah because even amazon basket by 18 to
42:08
20 grand basket
42:10
that fits perfect i think you get a
42:12
pretty decent shot out of it
42:15
okay are we good this morning
42:18
um okay my wife is going through all
42:22
your questions right now so by the way
42:23
if you haven't
42:24
make sure press like on this video it
42:26
can kind of help you with the ranking
42:27
and stuff like that so
42:29
definitely helpful and so
42:33
i'm not planning on doing any kind of
42:34
mod for this one
42:36
df64 because you know what because i
42:39
want to show you guys the you know kind
42:40
of like fairness
42:42
because not everybody wants the
42:43
modification so
42:45
the only mod i did was the i got uh this
42:48
dial indicator from
42:49
polar kefir and that's it
42:52
this is about what 12 investment there
42:54
so it's not too bad
42:57
we got one last question really notice
42:59
reduced flavor
43:00
from my espresso any advice to improve
43:03
it my
43:03
infuser and rebel pro grinder is a year
43:06
old
43:07
you know what the infusion and bravo pro
43:09
uh
43:10
goodness the smart grinders are they're
43:11
both great you know they're a great
43:13
setup though
43:14
so if the okay first of all goodness
43:19
that that is a loaded question because
43:22
because
43:22
you need to find out what kind of make
43:24
sure play with the grinder setting
43:26
okay also make sure you find that is
43:29
that bitter or sour
43:31
okay just play with it because yeah i
43:34
mean
43:35
it's kind of hard to tell okay because
43:37
the flavor is all subjective so
43:40
um if you have any questions or message
43:41
me on my instagram page okay
43:43
the dre dm me on my instagram maybe
43:47
i can find out what your issues are
43:51
okay are we good this morning great
43:53
thank you so much for watching
43:55
it was a long show okay it's let me know
43:57
long live streaming
43:58
but hopefully you know i show you guys
44:01
it enough
44:02
to see the workflow of both niche
44:05
and df-64 i mean
44:09
so far i'm pretty happy with it
44:12
and price is right they're 450 even sata
44:16
or 270wi they're like what 540
44:21
so i mean you know okay before i'm going
44:23
to let you guys go
44:25
you know let's hear the sound of motor
44:27
okay
44:29
okay let's do that let last the
44:32
which one is quieter
44:36
okay so here's what we're gonna do
44:39
i'm gonna flip it around because also
44:42
noise factor is you know important
44:44
as well so here's my microphone there
44:47
let me know which one is quieter
44:54
so this is niche
44:58
let's go to df64
45:04
[Applause]
45:09
what do you guys think it's a df64 when
45:11
this comes to quietness
45:22
the fact is the f-64 has a much bigger
45:26
motor
45:27
okay much bigger motor there
45:32
so i think it sounds a lot more lower
45:34
peach
45:35
and a little i think it's a little
45:36
quieter but
45:38
uh you know what if you guys cure uh
45:40
bear from polar keeper uh
45:42
on his youtube channel barrett did
45:45
breakdown of both machines
45:47
actually he teared down both of them so
45:49
make sure to check it out
45:50
very great job on it yeah so
45:53
i think the f64 is a little quieter more
45:56
kind of like
45:57
full lower sound lower pitch sound
46:01
yeah yo there versus
46:06
yep so again so df64 has a bigger motor
46:10
for sure
46:11
anyway i hope you guys like this video
46:12
this kind of format and
46:16
okay everybody say the f64 so yeah the
46:18
f64 is quieter so
46:20
uh so it's all depend on what you guys
46:23
want
46:24
okay that both has pros and cons but
46:28
i mean those pros and cons i mean the
46:30
khan is only about
46:31
that it's not a significant difference
46:34
there
46:35
it all depends it all comes down to your
46:37
style
46:39
let's put it up it's all depends on
46:40
which style you guys
46:42
i mean you guys like the best the fact
46:44
is you know what even though the price
46:46
difference is about what
46:47
300 difference there it sounds like a
46:50
lot
46:50
but if you're planning on using it for
46:52
next five ten years
46:54
so again i mean just get the grinder you
46:57
want okay
46:58
do not skimp it just like machines
47:01
i mean if you are playing an upgrading
47:03
machine get the motion you want
47:05
sometimes you know i think i'm going to
47:06
get this one i'm going to wait another
47:08
few more years get that instead of
47:10
getting right away
47:12
save that money save another year or so
47:15
get the machine you really really want
47:17
because
47:20
i mean if you're breaking down by cost
47:21
difference for over next 10 years
47:24
that's nothing so just like grinder as
47:26
well
47:28
i mean if you guys want the you know
47:30
grinder that if you guys really want it
47:31
could be
47:32
niche could be the f64 if you have just
47:35
a built-in grinder
47:37
if you want to buy if you want to buy
47:38
weber key
47:41
the coffee grinder is about sixteen
47:43
hundred bucks
47:44
okay save the money and
47:47
just get the motion you guys want okay
47:49
do not skimp it because
47:51
you're going to have this motion for a
47:52
long long time so anyway i hope you guys
47:55
like this video and i'm going to see you
47:57
guys next time