Niche Zero Vs DF64 Turin | Was James Hoffmann wrong?

 

 

 

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today we're gonna be comparing the df-64
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turin grinder with the niche zero and
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we're going to be answering the question
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do i agree with what james hoffman said
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in his comparison video and we're going
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to get a second set of eyes from a
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completely different level james hoffman
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knows a lot and has experienced a lot
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with coffee and i'm fairly new to the
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scene
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so we're gonna see if the professional's
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opinion still lines up with the
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intermediate person's opinion or the
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amateur's opinion on the daily use of
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these grinders and who and if i'm happy
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with one or the other so first off i
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want to say thank you for tuning in to
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want to note this grinder the df churn
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was given to me at a substantial
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discount for an exchange of a review
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i've already done that this is
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completely opinion based on it i was not
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paid to say good things about this or
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bad things about this i had to purchase
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this grinder at a discount to give my
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opinion um with no say for the person
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who gave me the discount um so fully
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honest
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straight opinion
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let's dive into it um so we got this guy
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starting off at
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currently 450
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and this guy at
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7 35 i do think the price of this one is
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gonna jump up eventually though so if
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it's six hundred dollars at six hundred
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dollars
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we're still gonna dive in it but this
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one is slightly cheaper is where i'm
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going on it with this one they both do
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espresso and pour over and have stepless
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grind adjustments this one did not have
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this little dial here this is from porta
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keeper and this helps you kind of figure
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out your grind setting because this
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little indicator here was where it was
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at both of these hold a dosing cup that
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goes directly into a 58 millimeter
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portafilter so you put your portafilter
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here on top and you flip these over and
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that will
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disperse the grounds into the
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portafilter perfectly
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this one is a flatbed grinder which
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means two burs sitting on top of each
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other like this this is a conical binder
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grinder versus which is like a cone
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shaped thing with another circle thing
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around it and that's how it grinds uh
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this one can hold a portafilter although
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i've never really done it i prefer to
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use the dosing cup to kind of distribute
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a little bit more this way
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this one both of these are built well
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this is probably
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this one is a little bit heavier than
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the niche zero but the niche zero does
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not feel cheap and light by any means
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with that i found that you cannot change
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the grant you have to hold both of these
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to change the grind setting
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on this versus the niche zero you can do
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one-handed the niche zero has this
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anti-popcorning lid on the inside
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popping up and it also has a switch on
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the side
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this one does not have any anti-popcorn
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thing on here but you can 3d print one
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if you're too so you can start this
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grinder by simply clicking this button
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here on the bottom
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some people will take this top metal lid
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off and they will put their grinds in
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there that way i find it best if you
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just pick up this whole rubber plunger
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thing and put your grinds in directly
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that way i find it a little bit easier
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to slide in and out than that one is
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both of these will do pour over very
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well however without using the ross
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droplet technique which is praying as
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spritz of water over your beans they
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will get quite messy on the inside of
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them
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this one has cable storage which means
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on the back
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you will have this little
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cord that you can pull in and out to
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make it the exact length that you want
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to this one just is kind of chilling
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back here and it can be really annoying
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on a countertop with how long it is um
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this one you need to buy this little
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thing and this little thing basically
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you press on the top of it and it pushes
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air through your grinder to remove the
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excess grinds on the inside this one has
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it built on the inside this one comes
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with a brush this one does not
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but you can buy a brush pretty cheap
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but it is nice that it does match the
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wood and it looks great with it i don't
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know which one i like this one better
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because it matches my gear but i also
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don't really like this one in the looks
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of it ecstatically wise
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that's just more opinion i like how you
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can change the grind setting with one
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hand on this because of i don't know it
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just slides a little bit easier this one
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you kind of need both hands for
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i notice if you take these little rubber
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grips off on these things and you move
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them
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from the top
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of the prongs to the bottom of the
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prongs you have no issue with this
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sliding out and you have no issue with
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the grounds going into this some people
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if you depending on how you put in there
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put this one in there you might end up
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hitting this top part here
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i honestly don't have too much of an
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issue with that personally myself
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i do think you do need to buy this
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indicator though for
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12 or whatever dollars that
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is being sold for on etsy i think it
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makes it a little bit easier to do the
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grind settings lastly this one is
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upgradable like you can upgrade it
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versus this one you cannot so you can
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change the burrs out and you can take
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200
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into putting it in and making it a
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little bit better of a grinder um versus
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this one
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you can't really do
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i'm aligning the burrs on this one which
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means basically
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making sure like one bird this is a bad
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example but you have a flat bur here and
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if you had a flat bear that was slightly
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angled your grind setting is going to be
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uneven so you have to line it align it
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perfectly
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or close to perfectly so you're getting
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even consistent grinds through espresso
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outlet if you install the ssp burs in
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there they'll align it for you which is
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going to be way easier of a process than
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doing it on your own but it can come
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with some alignment issues from the back
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i haven't noticed too big of an issue
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with mine personally but i've heard some
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cons about it in the past um so we're
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going to get into it
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james hoffman
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preferred this one over the workflow
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he didn't think that this one was bad
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but he thought it was quirky because the
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font was different and it like just
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looked bad they changed the font it
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looks better he didn't like the button
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here
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um and
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he just like this one better for
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numerous reasons but he didn't have
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problems with this you can watch his
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video and i encourage you to do so
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when i look at this for the consumer
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person who
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wants to basically pull the best shots
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of espresso that they can for the least
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amount of money possible
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which is how i started things i didn't
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want to spend a ton of money i was a
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college student i didn't have a ton of
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money to just dump into grinders
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obviously as you can see i've put more
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money into it down the road about i just
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wanted to buy one and done and get the
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best i could so i started with hand
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grinders but i think this is a good
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entry level like if you're looking to
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brew espresso i think one of these two
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grinders are the ones to go with i
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wouldn't buy the niche zero i pulled
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shots side by side with these i dialed
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them in the best that i could to the
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grinders and that's with the stock burrs
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in here not the ssp burst i want to do
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clarify i do have the ssp birds then i'm
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going to put those in and make a video
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and compare those
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but i took my flare
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58 with an akaya scale in this thing
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called the smart espresso profiler which
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is a bluetooth translucer this provided
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me charts that i could do so i could
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basically make the identical shot of
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espresso using the charts of the exact
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amount of pressure and the exact amount
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of flow rate and the exact amount of
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coffee in and out with the same
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temperature all the same parameters with
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the turin
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and the niche so i did these shots side
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by side and i did these over multiple
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days so i did two shots a day or a
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couple shots a day comparing these side
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by side when they're dialed in and then
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i did the same thing the next day same
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thing with a different pair of beans and
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same thing and like i did this test a
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lot to make sure i got the correct
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opinion on this most of the time it was
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it was very very close and it was very
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very kind of difficult to
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to see the differences in it but
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i felt like i got a lot more out of the
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turn especially in the clarity realm of
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things i felt like those floral notes of
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of an ethiopian coffee really pulled out
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more on this versus like maybe the more
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the chocolate and nutty types of things
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which isn't typically my preference
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would maybe pull out a little bit more
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on the niche zero so and that a lot of
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that is because of the difference
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between flat burs and conical burs so
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really these pair well together in the
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realm of the grand scheme of flavors and
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sometimes you'll want to pull a coffee
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off of conical burr than you would a
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flat bur and vice versa however most of
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the time i prefer the shots out of this
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and now on a regular morning i have both
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of these dialed in and set up side by
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side and typically when i go to make a
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shot of espresso i just aim for the turn
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a lot of that is part of the workflow i
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actually do prefer the button here
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i do prefer the fact that the bellows
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are built in to it
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i like the noise of the turn or the
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noise of the niche better it's a weird
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thing to say i actually prefer
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the plastic dosing cup
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to the stainless steel one
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i like the looks of the stainless steel
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one but the plastic one seems more
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functional because i can see if the
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grounds are kind of level enough for me
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to pull this out without spilling it
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versus the niche i just have to hope to
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get lucky on that um
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overall i like the aesthetics in my
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coffee bar with the niche over the turn
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which is annoying because i use the
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flare 58 and i have a lot of control
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over it and i like that and it really
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helps me get the most out of my coffee
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in my opinion versus my
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new albus simonelli oscar one which is
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at work um that i just kind of used for
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coffee there but i like i like the
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flair 58 better than my heat exchanger
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at the office
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which and i like the flavor that i get
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out of the turret more than the niche
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but the niche matches the
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58 better than the turn matches the 58
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so i'd prefer to have the turn in the
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office for aesthetic purposes in the
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niche at home for a sec purposes but i
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prefer for functionality to have the
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turn here in the niche at zero because i
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prefer the better quality stuff here at
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home rather than the office i know that
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sounds super ridiculous to say that and
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i am very fortunate to have the gear
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that i have
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to do these youtube videos and to
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compare these things that i never
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expected to have so i want to thank you
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for your support on that but overall the
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features and the functionality of this
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like i
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i wish the turn had the this cable
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storage that sounds like the most
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not important thing out of everything
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because it has nothing to do with
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anything but having this cable sitting
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you plug it in on the outlet you try and
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cover up the cords behind but it's a
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blump and it's you're sitting on your
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kitchen counter so you can't drop the
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cable down below the countertop if you
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have like a bar sitting like this cable
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is not an issue but if you're plugging
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it up here you have this excess of cable
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that's annoying that you don't get
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within this niche which just gives it a
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cleaner look
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i love the fact that this is upgradable
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and if this is already pulling better
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shots i'm going to just say 150 less
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than a niche but it could be more than
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that depending on how you get it this
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already producing better shots without
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the ssp birds than the niche then it's
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only going to go uphill from there
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depending on how you buy it you could be
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able to get things substantially cheaper
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for the turin you you could be able to
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get the ssp burs upgrade i think you can
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now for 650 this with the ssp burst
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cheaper than the niche for by almost 100
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and i think that's the way to go and i
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think i would choose the turin and i
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think they made some great upgrades on
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it since james hoffman got his months
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before i did however i just like the
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aesthetics of this better and i think it
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looks better from my opinion so i hope
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this helps if you have any questions for
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it
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this is just my espresso opinion both of
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them do great on pour overs i just don't
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typically do pour overs and i i didn't
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feel like i was
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had enough experience doing pour overs
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on a regular basis to really compare
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these well enough for you but espresso
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wise i would choose to turn every single
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day
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and that's what i typically do for when
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they're sitting next to each other
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on the counter so i want to say thank
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you so much for watching and i hope this
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video helps you in making the decision
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if you have any questions
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please let me know and i love to help
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you answer those questions