Turin DF64 vs Niche Zero vs Atom 75 - Blind Taste Test

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hey this is barrett from portakeeper you

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guys have been asking me how the turn

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compares to the niche zero

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i figured i might be able to do one

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better by adding the atom 75

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using all three in a blind taste test

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the turn and the atom use flat burrs

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while the niche uses conical

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i printed off some coffee tasting wheels

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to try to graphically represent what i

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am tasting

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to set up the test i weighed out 18

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grams of beans

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for each sample bowl marking each bowl

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with a number i told my wife to randomly

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select a grinder

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and make note of which grinder aligns

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with which sample

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from there i had her grind each sample

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into the bowls and leave it for my blind

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taste test

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i just had my wife grind all three of

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these samples

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i had her mark one two and three so i

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set all this up and pre-weighed

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everything as you saw

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and then i left the room and she ground

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each sample

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so now what i want to do is gr brew

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each shot and i really don't have an

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idea of which one is which

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i've dialed all these grinders in and i

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want to see if i can tell the difference

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we're looking at the turin

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the nish zero and the atom 75 so i

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thought those would be three good ones

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pretty easy to use

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and let's see if i can tell the

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difference i'm also going to use the

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puck press

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and the same portafilter just to make

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sure that

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the portafilter itself can add a couple

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changes to the flavor as well as

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maybe the tamp pressure so using the pec

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press we're going to try to

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minimize as many variables as possible

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so i'm just going to go in order

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got number one and we're gonna brew it

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real quick

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i'm gonna brew all three samples then

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i'm gonna taste all three

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spilled a little bit of course

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i wish i would have got out of dosing

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funnel

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and there's the puck press

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let's throw it in there real quick and

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we're just going to do a full pressure

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shot

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a little bit messy i don't think i got

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it quite centered

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that's fine let's go for number two

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wow this is really kind of a mess

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having the dosing tap really helps so

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back press

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let's do the second shot

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i'm really having a time keeping this

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area clean

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and let's do number three real quick

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so i lost about the same amount on all

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all three of these so i guess it should

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be pretty fair

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i'll probably pause the video and move

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it up

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all right i moved it up a little bit and

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really

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what i'm trying to do here is not say

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one's better or worse but just

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kind of show how the same exact beans

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i use these good brothers guatemalan

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beans

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makes great espresso pretty much at its

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prime

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so i use the turn the niche and the

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atom 75 but i really don't know which

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one is which

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so i'm going to try to guess and i'm

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going to try to fill some of this out

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so we're going to say their espresso on

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all three of these

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and i'm going to try the first one

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it's good it's

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it's okay

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yeah it's not too sour

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it's not very floral

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do you get some berry in it i don't get

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any citrus

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get a little bit of that stone

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and i'm really i really don't get that

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much chocolate honestly

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so that's how i'm gonna do that one

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and let's see let's try to connect all

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these dots

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so whatever that is that's that's about

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how that one tastes to me

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let's go on to number two

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so it tastes honestly

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it's a little less bitter

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it's not smoky

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it's not savory

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very clean

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linger a little bit less

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sweet

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it's not sour at all

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it's not overly floral

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it does have a little bit of spice

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not salty

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berry

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no citrus i get i don't know i get quite

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a bit of stone fruit i'd say

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chocolate pretty minimal i mean that's

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this

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where this is but i do get a little bit

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of the caramel

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so it's kind of a wild distribution

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so let's go on to number three

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definitely i think i already know which

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one is which

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so let's see

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not much better

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a little more savory

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quite a bit of body very clean

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it's got quite a bit of lingerie

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it's pretty sweet

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sour not very sour at all

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floral yeah

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i'm gonna say a little bit a little bit

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more floral than the others

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spicy

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pretty minimal in the spice salty

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not much salt berries

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citrus i get actually it's a little bit

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more astringent

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i would say probably about there on the

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citrus stone fruit i'm getting quite a

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bit

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chocolate pretty much none

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caramel about none

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smoky probably about none

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so let's see

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i'm going to take a guess here i'm going

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to take one more sip of each

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these two are extremely similar even

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though they kind of lay out a bit

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different

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it's lacking some in this region and on

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compared to these two

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this one's maybe a little bit more bold

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this one is a little bit more boring

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so here's my here's my vote

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then we're gonna look

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niche

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then we're gonna say adam

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okay so

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let me move the camera just a sec

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well i'll just bring it over that'll be

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easy so

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had it over on the other counter i

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haven't looked yet

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and we're gonna flip it over

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spot on right

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number one is the niche number two is

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the turn number three is the atom

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so i i'm really not surprised i can tell

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a big difference between

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conical and these flat personally

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i think the conical they do make a good

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cup

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but they're a little bit more boring

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that's just me

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i think you can highlight a couple of

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things that the beans

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exemplify so

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again this is a blind test this is just

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one

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sample um

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i i've tasted all these grinders enough

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so i know about where each one tastes

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but i only use one a day usually so

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it changes day by day i mean i have bad

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days for espresso all the time

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i was using this the other day it tasted

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terrible i was using my hat on the other

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day it tasted terrible

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and it was just me is this the day i

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don't know if it's the humidity it just

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didn't have the grind quite right

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and after a couple cups you're like well

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i'm done for the day

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but tonight all three of these are very

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good

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and for the most part i'd say there's a

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couple things like these two

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i'd say are more bitter this is

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definitely less bitter

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let's see sweetness this one is

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definitely a lot sweeter

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than the other two uh

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both of these flats i can almost taste

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the cleanness

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um it's kind of hard to describe

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but i could i can just taste how much

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fresher it is and i think that's just

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because the niche is a bi-metal burr

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it's not necessarily that it's bad i

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actually kind of like muddy

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v60 or muddy

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chemex but in an espresso

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i think when you're trying to get all

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the

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the really crazy flavors out of it that

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you're trying to get out of some of

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these beans

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having that nice fresh cleanness is

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pretty cool so

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let me know what you think down in the

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comments i am planning to do this

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probably

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a few more times i hope um

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didn't quite have enough beans for

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multiple tests tonight

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this is a medium roast so i thought it'd

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be interesting to do

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a much lighter roast and maybe a darker

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roast

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because these mesh grinders

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supposedly are really good for dark

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beans

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let's see i'll pull these out so that

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you can see them real quick

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they're medium

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i consider this a city a solid city

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and that's about where i like my

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espresso normally

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if you can pull it off i'll go lighter i

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don't really like much darker

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but that's my first test of these

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i i've had all you guys begging for me

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to do a comparison of which is better i

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probably won't ever say which is better

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um i really think both of these perform

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well

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not in the picture because it's on my

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bar is my atom 75 let's see if i can pan

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over to it real quick

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so there's the whole lineup

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and all of these perform very well

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for what they are they're

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the turn and the niche are more consumer

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grade they're for

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your house the atom it could probably be

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used in a shop much easier it grinds

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super fast

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the turn i don't know it takes it takes

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about eight seconds the niche

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takes about 15 seconds in the atom

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i have it set a little bit fast just so

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that my wife could grind it all into the

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bowl

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normally it's about 2.9 to 3 seconds for

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an 18 gram dose

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so thanks for watching let me know what

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you think

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and let me know what else i need to do

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see you later