Turin DF64 vs Niche Zero vs Atom 75 - Blind Taste Test
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hey this is barrett from portakeeper you
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guys have been asking me how the turn
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compares to the niche zero
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i figured i might be able to do one
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better by adding the atom 75
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using all three in a blind taste test
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the turn and the atom use flat burrs
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while the niche uses conical
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i printed off some coffee tasting wheels
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to try to graphically represent what i
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am tasting
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to set up the test i weighed out 18
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grams of beans
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for each sample bowl marking each bowl
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with a number i told my wife to randomly
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select a grinder
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and make note of which grinder aligns
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with which sample
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from there i had her grind each sample
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into the bowls and leave it for my blind
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taste test
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i just had my wife grind all three of
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these samples
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i had her mark one two and three so i
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set all this up and pre-weighed
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everything as you saw
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and then i left the room and she ground
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each sample
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so now what i want to do is gr brew
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each shot and i really don't have an
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idea of which one is which
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i've dialed all these grinders in and i
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want to see if i can tell the difference
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we're looking at the turin
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the nish zero and the atom 75 so i
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thought those would be three good ones
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pretty easy to use
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and let's see if i can tell the
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difference i'm also going to use the
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puck press
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and the same portafilter just to make
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sure that
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the portafilter itself can add a couple
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changes to the flavor as well as
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maybe the tamp pressure so using the pec
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press we're going to try to
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minimize as many variables as possible
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so i'm just going to go in order
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got number one and we're gonna brew it
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real quick
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i'm gonna brew all three samples then
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i'm gonna taste all three
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spilled a little bit of course
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i wish i would have got out of dosing
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funnel
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and there's the puck press
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let's throw it in there real quick and
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we're just going to do a full pressure
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shot
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a little bit messy i don't think i got
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it quite centered
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that's fine let's go for number two
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wow this is really kind of a mess
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having the dosing tap really helps so
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back press
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let's do the second shot
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i'm really having a time keeping this
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area clean
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and let's do number three real quick
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so i lost about the same amount on all
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all three of these so i guess it should
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be pretty fair
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i'll probably pause the video and move
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it up
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all right i moved it up a little bit and
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really
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what i'm trying to do here is not say
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one's better or worse but just
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kind of show how the same exact beans
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i use these good brothers guatemalan
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beans
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makes great espresso pretty much at its
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prime
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so i use the turn the niche and the
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atom 75 but i really don't know which
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one is which
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so i'm going to try to guess and i'm
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going to try to fill some of this out
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so we're going to say their espresso on
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all three of these
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and i'm going to try the first one
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it's good it's
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it's okay
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yeah it's not too sour
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it's not very floral
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do you get some berry in it i don't get
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any citrus
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get a little bit of that stone
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and i'm really i really don't get that
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much chocolate honestly
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so that's how i'm gonna do that one
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and let's see let's try to connect all
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these dots
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so whatever that is that's that's about
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how that one tastes to me
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let's go on to number two
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so it tastes honestly
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it's a little less bitter
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it's not smoky
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it's not savory
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very clean
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linger a little bit less
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sweet
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it's not sour at all
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it's not overly floral
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it does have a little bit of spice
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not salty
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berry
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no citrus i get i don't know i get quite
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a bit of stone fruit i'd say
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chocolate pretty minimal i mean that's
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this
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where this is but i do get a little bit
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of the caramel
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so it's kind of a wild distribution
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so let's go on to number three
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definitely i think i already know which
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one is which
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so let's see
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not much better
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a little more savory
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quite a bit of body very clean
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it's got quite a bit of lingerie
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it's pretty sweet
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sour not very sour at all
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floral yeah
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i'm gonna say a little bit a little bit
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more floral than the others
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spicy
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pretty minimal in the spice salty
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not much salt berries
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citrus i get actually it's a little bit
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more astringent
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i would say probably about there on the
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citrus stone fruit i'm getting quite a
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bit
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chocolate pretty much none
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caramel about none
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smoky probably about none
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so let's see
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i'm going to take a guess here i'm going
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to take one more sip of each
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these two are extremely similar even
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though they kind of lay out a bit
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different
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it's lacking some in this region and on
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compared to these two
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this one's maybe a little bit more bold
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this one is a little bit more boring
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so here's my here's my vote
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then we're gonna look
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niche
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then we're gonna say adam
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okay so
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let me move the camera just a sec
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well i'll just bring it over that'll be
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easy so
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had it over on the other counter i
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haven't looked yet
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and we're gonna flip it over
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spot on right
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number one is the niche number two is
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the turn number three is the atom
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so i i'm really not surprised i can tell
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a big difference between
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conical and these flat personally
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i think the conical they do make a good
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cup
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but they're a little bit more boring
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that's just me
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i think you can highlight a couple of
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things that the beans
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exemplify so
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again this is a blind test this is just
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one
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sample um
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i i've tasted all these grinders enough
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so i know about where each one tastes
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but i only use one a day usually so
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it changes day by day i mean i have bad
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days for espresso all the time
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i was using this the other day it tasted
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terrible i was using my hat on the other
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day it tasted terrible
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and it was just me is this the day i
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don't know if it's the humidity it just
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didn't have the grind quite right
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and after a couple cups you're like well
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i'm done for the day
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but tonight all three of these are very
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good
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and for the most part i'd say there's a
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couple things like these two
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i'd say are more bitter this is
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definitely less bitter
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let's see sweetness this one is
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definitely a lot sweeter
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than the other two uh
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both of these flats i can almost taste
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the cleanness
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um it's kind of hard to describe
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but i could i can just taste how much
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fresher it is and i think that's just
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because the niche is a bi-metal burr
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it's not necessarily that it's bad i
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actually kind of like muddy
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v60 or muddy
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chemex but in an espresso
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i think when you're trying to get all
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the
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the really crazy flavors out of it that
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you're trying to get out of some of
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these beans
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having that nice fresh cleanness is
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pretty cool so
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let me know what you think down in the
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comments i am planning to do this
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probably
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a few more times i hope um
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didn't quite have enough beans for
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multiple tests tonight
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this is a medium roast so i thought it'd
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be interesting to do
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a much lighter roast and maybe a darker
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roast
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because these mesh grinders
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supposedly are really good for dark
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beans
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let's see i'll pull these out so that
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you can see them real quick
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they're medium
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i consider this a city a solid city
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and that's about where i like my
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espresso normally
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if you can pull it off i'll go lighter i
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don't really like much darker
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but that's my first test of these
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i i've had all you guys begging for me
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to do a comparison of which is better i
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probably won't ever say which is better
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um i really think both of these perform
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well
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not in the picture because it's on my
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bar is my atom 75 let's see if i can pan
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over to it real quick
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so there's the whole lineup
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and all of these perform very well
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for what they are they're
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the turn and the niche are more consumer
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grade they're for
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your house the atom it could probably be
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used in a shop much easier it grinds
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super fast
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the turn i don't know it takes it takes
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about eight seconds the niche
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takes about 15 seconds in the atom
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i have it set a little bit fast just so
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that my wife could grind it all into the
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bowl
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normally it's about 2.9 to 3 seconds for
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an 18 gram dose
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so thanks for watching let me know what
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you think
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and let me know what else i need to do
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see you later