Was James Hoffmann Wrong About The DF64?

 

 

 

 

 

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you know james hoffman might have helped
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to turn this the turin df64 into the
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best espresso grinder in this price
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range so let's talk about what he got
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right what he got wrong and what they
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fixed in this review of the turin df64
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massive thanks to joel kolb at espresso
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outlet.net for sending this all the way
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to japan for this review if you want to
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check out a df64 at the best price i've
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seen it available online check it out at
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espresso outlet dot net okay on with the
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video of course i want to start with the
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taste of the espresso coming out of a
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df-64 taste is super subjective but the
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shots i've been getting out of this
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thing have had a whole new level of
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depth and clarity for me i'm not gonna
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waste your time describing the taste of
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an espresso that you can't verify for
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yourself so all i'll say is this
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i'm going to respond to some of
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hoffman's critiques of the df64 in his
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review but bear in mind he was using an
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earlier version of this machine so
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rather than a critique of hoffmann which
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i am not qualified to give
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think of this as just setting the record
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straight on the df64's current version
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so how does it feel to use well for me
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it's super satisfying it's reassuringly
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heavy the dial at the top is big and
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round and the bellows at the top that
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you use to blow the grinds out is
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actually really fun to use
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don't shoot dial on me now
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i'll talk more about some issues with
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this system later but overall i have no
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complaints about the quality of the
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grinds and how easy it is to dial in and
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use espresso comes out in a huge range
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so it's super easy to dial in exactly
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where you need it to be and unlike in
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the good sir hoffman's video i never got
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anywhere near the zero point even with
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the lightest of roasts the lowest i ever
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used on the dial setting was around a 10
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or an 11 which was for a lightly roasted
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decaf i also really like the dosing cup
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which i greatly preferred to dosing
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directly into the portafilter the cup
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doesn't ever seem to slide out but this
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might be another one of those post
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hoffman review changes as these rubber
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feet seem to have been added to keep the
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cup in place this grinder does get a
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little bit more powder on the base and
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the table because of the bellows blowing
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that coffee everywhere but i'm pretty
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much used to cleaning coffee up off the
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table anyway if you don't want coffee
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going on your table i suggest you buy a
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hand grinder those things are pretty
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clean next i want to talk about the look
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and design and personally i really like
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the r2d2 vibe i'm getting off this thing
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the niche is a little bit more like bb-8
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but i always prefer r2d2's charm maybe
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we can get a vote going in the comments
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on which look we prefer one of the
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biggest memes that came out of the
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hoffman review was not liking the font
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well they changed it and it looks a lot
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nicer around the ring this still leaves
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an issue for me that maybe didn't bother
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hoffman as much but it is a little bit
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difficult sometimes to tell exactly what
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level you're grinding to the steps on
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the ring are far enough away from a
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reference point that can be a little bit
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difficult to see exactly where you are
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and i do this kind of aiming down the
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sight of a rifle thing with one eye to
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try and get exactly the right line but
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i'd rather not have to do that
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this wouldn't be a difficult thing to
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fix as well they could just put the
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markings at the bottom of the ring
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instead of on the top and it'll be
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closer to the reference point and much
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easier to see next up is the bellows
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which is an odd solution to the problem
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of grind retention where some of the
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grinds stay in the burrs and end up in
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your next coffee this has always been a
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bigger issue on flatbur grinders but i
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think the solution works well overall
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now there is a silicon stopper in the
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front which you have to blow the coffee
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grinds through and it has been updated
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since the huffman review to be a little
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bit bigger but i still did notice a
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little bit of regrinding going on so it
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does more or less solve the problem of
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retention but i wanted to see how many
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ultra reground finds end up in your
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final cup and whether or not this would
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affect flavor i put it through a crude
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sifter with the smallest and second
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smallest filters to see how much would
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be reground and this is what came up
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it came up with about this much in the
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bottom which isn't even 0.1 of a gram so
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i doubt this would have a big effect on
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flavor you can deal with this problem by
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pushing on the bellows throughout the
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coffee grinding process it is definitely
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a small problem but it's not gonna be
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keeping me up at night so to sum up i
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personally love my df64 and i think most
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other home users will as well it looks
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the part it grinds very very nice
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espresso at any level you want and i
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enjoy using it every day if you found
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this video useful give it a like as this
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really helps to appease the youtube gods
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and get this video out to more people
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now i want to know what you think after
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they fixed a lot of the issues from the
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james hoffman review would you consider
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picking up a turin df64 or do you have a
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different grinder in your eye let me
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know in the comments and if you're an
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amateur barista like me i'm making
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want to see more of that thank you so
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much for watching and i'll see you on
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