The TRUTH About DF64 | A Budget Do It All Grinder? (VS Eureka Mignon Single Dose)

 

 

 

 

 

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welcome back friends kyle here i hope
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you guys are doing so well today today
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we're going to be talking about
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coffee grinders this one more
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specifically right here the df-64 now
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depending on where you are in the world
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it might go by a different name but here
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in canada in north america we call it
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the df64 now this this is a coffee
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grinder for the home that boasts low
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retention and has really taken
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the home barista
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market forums reddit by storm and
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rightfully so so we're going to talk all
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about my experience so far
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how this grinder fits in the landscape
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of grinders and coffee in the world that
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we live in today i also want to compare
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it with a very popular competitor to
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this grinder which would be the eureka
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mignon single dose oro because this also
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boasts lower tension 65 millimeter
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flappers a very similar design as you
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can see so i want to talk about my
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experience we're going to brew some
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coffee in just a second we're going to
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dive all into the df
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64. before we do i just want to say hey
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let's make some coffee
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[Music]
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okay so you guys know normally i do
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blind taste tests and
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today we're not going to do that now
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there's a couple reasons why first off
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i'm not always a huge fan of blind taste
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tests so i'll probably do them again in
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the future but to base a review off of
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one one comparison like the flavor
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profiles that i get it's just not
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completely fair there's so many
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variables in brewing one cup of coffee
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um so i'm not gonna do that rather this
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is going to be a test based off of my
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weeks of experience with these grinders
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comparing them daily pulling
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back-to-back shots
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both of these birds are fairly seasoned
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well-seasoned
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and i'm happy with the results but let's
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drink these
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the dl64
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gotta rinse my palette i know there'll
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be comments
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yeah
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okay so i need to give some context on
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this grinder there are different bur
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options you can get in the df-64 the
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minion single dose oro does not have
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that now we're going to get right into
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this in a second but this is important
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for those who aren't aware the df64 has
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its ida mill uh flappers the 64
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millimeter flappers those are the birds
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that are in this grinder right now but
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i've also tested the ssp
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red speed bursts so i have the
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multi-purpose unimodal bursts i've
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tested that in this grinder too and i'll
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share my thoughts on those and my
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experience with those uh later in this
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video now this burst set is their stock
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diamond inside 65 millimeter bursts and
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the results from the item mills the
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stock burrs in the df64 which is their
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more budget-friendly option which most
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people are gonna go for uh versus the
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oro single dose
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the coffee is both very good okay we've
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got two great 64 65 millimeter flat
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first flappers are great at making great
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coffee with good clarity some great
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sweetness now the ds-64
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for me this is a more unimodal style
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burr what does that word mean well when
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coffee's ground you know there's
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different size particles it's not all
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one size
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and when the coffee is broken down and
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cut up by that bur there's a more
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uniform
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size of that grind distribution if you
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were to chart this out like i'll put
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right here somewhere on the screen
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the distribution of those grounds will
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have a tighter distribution they'll be
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more
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alike than different where something
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like the migno in my experience this one
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has a wider
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distribution of grounds and that's not a
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bad thing some people think that you
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want the more uniform that's not always
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the case but this one has a wider race
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you're getting some more sweetness in
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the cup getting a little bit more
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complexity where this one you're getting
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a lot of clarity uh with some sweetness
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but it's a little more linear where this
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one feels a little bit more textured
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depending on your your palette and what
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your preference is uh one might be
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better than the other but both both are
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pretty good so let's talk about some
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things that you'd want to know if you're
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buying the df64 compared to the oro
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build quality experiences realities
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modifications those ssp burs
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and ultimately which grinder these two
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you should buy so the df64 it's a
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chinese make grinder its price is very
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affordable for what it's offering
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depending on where you are in the world
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these start around four hundred dollars
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with those stock bursts and you can get
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those with ssp birds but it normally
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adds a few hundred dollars
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it's pretty fantastic for what you're
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getting here this is a fully metal build
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you can get them in a bunch of different
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colors this one here is the white the
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colors themselves are actually a wrap
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this isn't actually white metal it's not
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painted feels great i have no issues
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with that because
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any issues with scratches i can just
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replace this wrap down the road or
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change the color if i decide to change
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my
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appearance of my coffee part you know
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the other pieces are all metal
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everything feels good everything feels
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solid the grind adjustment feels very
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nice to use it's got a very good tension
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similar to like the niche zero um some
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criticism though we do have a plastic
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dosing cup and you know much prefer that
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niche zero or even uh the metal one on
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this grinder as well uh and then this
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bellows here this deceivingly is is
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metal
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the bellows you know it's a bellows and
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bellows really i've yet to feel a very
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premium feeling experience bellows maybe
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it's out there um but it's just yeah
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it's a bellows it's squishy it is what
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it is if you move down we have the power
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button underneath the dosing cup awk
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replacement for sure but i do enjoy how
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it's lit up i can tell that this grinder
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is plugged in there is power to its
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source
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it isn't a bad feeling experience it's
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just an awkward one but honestly i think
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a lot of people criticize this button i
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think it's okay it's fine they should
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probably change that in the future but
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for now
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it's not a reason not to buy this
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grinder in my opinion quite honestly
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it's heavy
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it feels good everything about it feels
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pretty premium and even the motor
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it sounds pretty good too
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and in my review of this grinder i
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really didn't love the experience of the
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motor you know it's shaky it's loud
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overall i think the build quality is
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good for the money it's very hard to
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beat the df64 for the size of this
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grinder the power of this grinder and
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what it offers
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but what about workflow now this is
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really important and i think workflow is
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an underrated asset to a coffee grinder
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i think using a coffee grinder every day
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should be an enjoyable experience you
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shouldn't have to think too much about
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it it should be able just to be used
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without having too much fuss and over
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the years flatburg grinders have been
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known to have a little bit more fuss
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than like their conical counterparts for
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example the niche zero is a great
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example of a grinder while not perfect
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and it has lots of flaws it's easy to
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use you turn it on it's easy to dial in
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it brews good coffee and that's it and
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then flatbread grinders they have their
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own issues too and and i think both of
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these are trying to address some of
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those and that's why you'll be looking
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at these
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for the df64 and the mignole they
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they're trying to address that retention
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issue a lot of flatberry grinders have
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retention issues they get coffee grounds
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stuck in the ground chamber ground shoes
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etc that's why both of these have a
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little bellow system to pump air through
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the grind chamber to force grounds into
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that dosing cup uh they can be a lot
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more expensive
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and just a little bit more nitpicky
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often a lot of static issues just the
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way that coffee is ground now one of the
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things with the df64 dial while nice to
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use it can be hard to see what
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adjustment you're at what number you're
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at specifically
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now we'll talk about some fixes to that
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but out of the box can be really
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frustrating not knowing exactly if
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you're at 33 or 35 or 42 right there's a
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definitely an adjustment reality there
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you've got to get used to looking down
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at this little
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circle with a line through the middle to
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see what you're at the minion oro
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doesn't have that issue when it comes to
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seeing where you're at on the grinds
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easy to see but this does have a dial
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that needs multiple rotations to go from
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filter to espresso speaking of that how
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do these guys do how does the df64
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specifically do for filter and espresso
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in my experience with those stock
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animals fantastic you know they do need
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to be seasoned and i have the stainless
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steel versions that were uncoated for me
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it took about 10 15 pounds of coffee to
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really break those burrs in a lot of you
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ask what seasoning is really essentially
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all it is is breaking down any
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imperfections in the burr by running
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coffee through the grinder just wears
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down those birds and gets them to the
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place where they need to be for the
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longevity and consistency and those
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bruise
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now the item mills do a great job like i
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mentioned for espresso the espresso is
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clean a lot of transparency no it's not
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the best espresso i've ever had no
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they're not as good as the ssp burs but
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out of the box for most people it's an
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enjoyable experience and most people
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won't need to upgrade to those ssps
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now for filtered coffee the same is true
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the coffee is clean it's very sweet i
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found really good cups of coffee out of
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those item mills i was honestly really
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surprised for the prices grinder with
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those burrs now that being said i did
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align my burrs out of the box this was
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pretty aligned but it was not perfect
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now if you're unsure of how to align a
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grinder i've actually linked a link to
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lance hetrick's video to lining grinders
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down below a dear friend of mine and he
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does amazing job of explaining how to
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align flapper grinders but that's also
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true of the manual single dose i had to
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align this one as well so that's not
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something that you find just on cheaper
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in grinders it's just something that's
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more common in flapper grinders until
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you get up to a higher price range but
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if you want more information on the
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lining grinders go check out that video
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and i'm going to talk about it in a
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future video so be sure to subscribe so
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you don't miss that one beyond the grind
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adjustment this bellows does work pretty
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well now this does have a d clumper
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built in this one is the version two
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it's an updated version from pasty
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clumpers i know james hoffman's review
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this grinder in the past they've updated
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since then to help but it's still not
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perfect and i was really hoping in
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reviewing this i would say this is the
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perfect flapper grinder there's no
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issues just use it out of the box just
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isn't the case you do need to adjust
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that de-clumper um or just understand
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that if you're changing coffees or
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changing grind settings you're gonna
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have to run some coffee through to
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ensure any coffee retention stuck in
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that de-clumper is pushed through now in
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my experience i've also removed that
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de-clumper and that helps a lot with
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retention okay if you're open to modding
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your grinder i will be covering this in
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the future on how to remove the
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de-clumper as well as some other
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modifications on the df-64
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but it is an experience you do have to
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find out how to take this grinder apart
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and remove that is it necessary for most
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people no but for those who make want to
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make sure that they have like zero
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retention then absolutely yes you do
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need to remove that to clumper or adjust
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it to some other models that are on the
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internet some people put the mythos one
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grind clumper in there and that helps
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break down the clumps and keep the
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retention as low as possible that being
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said the retention on this grinder is
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very good i i had very good experiences
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in taking this grinder apart which is
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very easy to do with the twist of this
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dial you can literally pull off the
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burrs without any tools
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um the retention is fantastic my
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experience on the menu single dose
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wasn't as good now this also has some
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declutter issues which i've talked in
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the full review but even without the
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de-clumper i found there were still
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grounds getting caught in some areas of
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the grind chamber i was still classified
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as a low retention grinder and in my
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review i did say without the de-clumper
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it was much better but i do say the
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df-64 is better at being a low-retention
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grinder than the minion single dose the
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bellow system as well on the df64 works
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really well where i said the minion
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single doses bellows really didn't push
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the grounds through because of declumper
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issues but also because air was leaked
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through different areas of the bellows
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where this one here has a lot of suction
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and honestly sometimes depending on what
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grind setting i'm grinding at once i
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push those bellows you can get like a
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gram of coffee pushed through it works
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really well and honestly i would
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recommend using it for most people if we
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work down here this grinder does have an
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issue as static as so many flapper
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grinders do if you remove that
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de-clumper you're going to have even
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more issues so be aware of that
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regardless i always use rdt with the
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ds64 to help just keep those clumps
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stuck together a little less static and
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just help reduce the mess okay i could
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go on and on and on about the ds64 there
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are so many videos on the internet
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covering it so what you really want to
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know is is how does it compare right how
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is it compared to this grinder here
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should you consider this grinder in the
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market today so here's my answer to that
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first off compared to the oro the oro
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it's a beautiful grinder eureka really
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tried to tackle not only the df64 but
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the niche zero in this and like i
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mentioned already i am working on an
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ultimate comparison for the best single
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dosing grinder including some of these
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grinders behind me and so again
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subscribe so you don't miss that and i'm
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going to include these two but what i do
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want to say is that the df64 for me it
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doesn't feel like a downgrade from the
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oro this really was supposed to be the
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premium version to fix the df64 issues
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things like static things like that
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grind clumper things like it's it's just
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a small weird um quirky imperfections
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just doesn't really fix it it just has
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its own right this still is messy this
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still has retention issues
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it's loud it vibrates uh for me the the
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workflow is actually much better on the
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df64 than the oro single dose does that
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mean you should only go for the df64
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well no by the time you're watching this
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video they might have fixed some of the
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issues on the manual single dose this is
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the first version uh this grinder's only
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been out for a couple months
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but guys like at the end of the day like
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you want the best value possible and
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this grinder you know here's the prices
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on the screen here this grinder
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depending on where you're on the world
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is is
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almost double the price and for me i
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just don't see where that money is going
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other than this is an italian-made
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grinder versus a chinese-made grinder
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and and like it doesn't feel
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doesn't feel that much cheaper
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so what about like the modifications of
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the grinder like i said the cup profiles
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on these two they're similar but this
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one obviously has some more texture um
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this one has a little less clarity than
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the df64 but let's talk about those ssp
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burrs because that's a big conversation
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within the df64
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really the ssps and the df64 turn this
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four or 500 grinder into
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a grinder way out of its price range in
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terms of cup quality now a lot of those
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workflow issues do not change which
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ssp's
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but the cup profiles are fantastic using
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the unimodal multi-purpose ssp red speed
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burst this the clarity on this is just
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unreal you know there's definitely a
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great filter coffee grinder in this with
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those burrs and the espresso while not
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for everybody it's got a lot of clarity
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now i will say you do lose a little bit
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of range with those multi-purpose burrs
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at least in my experience now depending
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on your coffee can sometimes be hard to
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pull a shot
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unimodable are there a multi-purpose
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burr you can do espresso
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some people prefer them for espresso
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some people might want to go with the
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high uniformity ssp burst and i'll link
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both of those down below so you can
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check those out the high uniformity
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would be more similar to like this kind
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of burst style where it produces a
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little more fines some more boulders
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less of a tight distribution in their
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grounds and so uh it'll produce some
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more texture you know the the
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multi-purpose burrs they're not very
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textured you do lose some of that
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texture in exchange for clarity and some
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people really like that thick gooey
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espresso
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those ssp burs at least the
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multi-purpose ones won't do that also
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with those ssp burs uh you do lose that
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zero point um when i installed my ssp
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burs my zero point went from zero or
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just past zero to thirty there's a
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couple ways you can fix that one of
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those is replacing the sticker and so
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that putting the the sticker where the
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zero would actually be on your new zero
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point which is 30 on mine or 3d printing
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a dial indicator that was sent on the
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collar here that would actually point
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kind of like a clock
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to um where your zero point would be
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speaking of 3d printing that's where a
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lot of the modifications come in for the
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df64 now what i've been learning is
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there's a whole world that i've been
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completely unaware of and 3d printing
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and there's communities out there on
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thingiverse who are just sharing
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open source uh 3d printing materials for
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the dl64
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things like issues to fix its dosing cup
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bring it closer to the chute
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making dosing funnels so that the
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grounds don't get spewed everywhere on
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your counter another modification that
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actually fixes the popcorn that puts a
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cone inside um this section here which
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makes it so that it's harder for the the
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grounds to pop back up and fixes those
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popcorning issues and then some people
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have even modded and 3d printed the
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de-clumpers which i don't know if i'd
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necessarily recommend um
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depending on the plastic that you're
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using it's not always food safe but
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that's that's a whole other conversation
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that we're not going to get into today
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so to summarize to wrap this up the ds64
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it's not perfect
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this is the kind of grinder that if you
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want to modify your grinder or if you're
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the person who wants the best value the
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best value for the lowest price possible
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good results in the cup
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this is kind of it you know it's a
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grinder that can do espresso and filter
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coffee swap between the both it's fairly
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low retention especially if you're
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willing to do some modifications
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uh it's fairly quiet unless you change
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that burst set to that that ssp bur uh
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it's easy to use the build quality is
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fairly good overall i'm very impressed
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with the df64 and for me
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this should have been this but better
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and it's not and if you've made it this
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far in the video again you are my
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favorite i really appreciate you
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watching this video but let me know in
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the comments down below by writing flat
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burr frenzy flapper frenzy that'll let
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me know hey
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kyle i actually watch your videos
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i'm not you're not just talking to
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nobody i would appreciate that again
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like this video if you learned anything
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i might do a live stream and modifying
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