Turin vs Niche Zero Retention

 

 

 

 

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hey this is barrett with porta keeper
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and i've been using these two grinders
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quite extensively over the past couple
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weeks
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nish zero and the turin df64
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i started with this one i was lucky to
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pick up with this niche
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and i really want to see how much
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they're retaining
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so what i'm going to do is i'm going to
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actually open them
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up and i'm gonna see how much they have
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inside
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so right now we have we're gonna knock
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this out
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there's absolutely nothing in there and
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we're gonna
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tear this out put on the scale
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so it's set on zero
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and we're gonna turn it on real quick
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just let it run
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and get stuck in there we want to get it
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out
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so i haven't seen anything come out
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and what we're going to do is we're
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going to like unscrew this
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and over here i have this brush
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so first we remove this little anti-pop
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corning disc
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and from there we're going to remove the
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burr
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very difficult to pull this out there we
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go
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really nice burr there's a lot of crud
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stuck on the bottom we're actually gonna
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scrape all that off we're gonna save
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that
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so as you can see the bottom is pretty
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clean now
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a little bit stuck on the bottom but not
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too bad
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and we're actually going to pull out
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this lower burr
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and it has some stuff stuck on the
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bottom we're going to brush it off
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my scale just timed out so we might have
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to mess with that
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and here's a little flapper wheel
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it actually has quite a bit of grounds
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on it
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so kind of messy
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and i think what we're going to do is
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we're going to tap this into a different
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cup to weigh it out
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and finally
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we're going to sweep out what's in here
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so
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there isn't much
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but there is definitely quite a few
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grounds in this niche
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zero i don't want to try to capture them
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all
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so
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here's about where we're at quite a bit
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really
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so
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let's take this it's a different dosing
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cup
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and we're going to zero it out
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and let's see it's not going to be much
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it's really not
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okay so we're at about
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a half a gram and this zero
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retains about half a gram and this is a
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grinder that i've used quite a bit
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i've not cleaned
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i just wanted to let it build up some
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residual crud
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inside of it just to see what it might
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retain
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half a gram's pretty good not gonna lie
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it's pretty good
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so let's put it back together real quick
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easy to put back together had some guy
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criticize that
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shouldn't take this part but it's really
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not a big deal to put back together at
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all
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actually i should have done the other
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one first
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it's very easy to put together and take
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apart
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you just need to line up these keyways
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it has a little key
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it's kind of a lot of messing around
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really but
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there we go
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nish they supply this yellow screwdriver
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it's a hex head
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it's pretty nice
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line it up with the calibration arrow
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and start screwing it down
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so there were we're done with the niche
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half a gram it certainly is not zero
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but not bad let's check out the turin
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okay so we just got done with the niche
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and it retained about half a gram which
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is really good honestly
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and now we're gonna look at this turn it
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has a little bit of stuff in this cup
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i'm just really gonna try to get out as
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much as possible
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same thing i did before the niche
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i don't want anything on the counter
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because we're going to try to count all
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that
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and we're going to turn on real quick
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so we already gained a little bit of
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grounds in there not much
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but a little bit
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so let's open this up we have the
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bellows i already bellowed it out
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and i've already loosened up this turn
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ring
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one of these it's really cool
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and we're going to loosen up this upper
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burr
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take that off and we're going gonna try
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to brush
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any of the grounds into this cup so i've
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been using this for a few weeks
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i haven't cleaned it since the last time
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you saw me clean it on this
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on another video
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i want to carefully clean out
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all the ground so that i don't lose any
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a little bit boring but there's really
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not that many grounds to be
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saved so far
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and here's the next part
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again not too many to save
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i'm not going to take out these screws i
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didn't take it out of the niche
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it's a little bit different design but
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we're talking sid a little bit and
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they're not ever coming out this is like
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a deep cleaning
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to get those grounds out and let's try
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to get as many as we can
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out
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and i think what we're going to do is
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we're going to put this back on
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takes a second to line this up
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and kind of go backwards and feel where
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it slips
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there we go
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and we're going to put them on about 10.
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it's about where i've been running it
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and we're going to blow it out again
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i'm just really not getting that many
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grounds
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so i've been using this for a couple
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weeks
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i want to sweep up all the grounds on
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the counter
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i really like this dosing cup even
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though it's plastic
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i've been really enjoying it it works
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really well it fits on top of that
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air press it fits in there it's quite
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nice
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so let's zero this out
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i want nothing in there it's like the
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niche
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now let's zero it out we're going to
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take that and we're going to put it in
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there
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again everyone claims your attention but
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that's what was left in the turin
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and i zeroed this out
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it's 0.3 grams
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so this was 0.5
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and the turn is 0.3
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i really like this bellows
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i thought as much hype as this thing has
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had
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that it was gonna maybe outperform it i
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didn't know why
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i really don't think the internals are
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designed that much different than any
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other grinder
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it's not even at that big of an angle
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the design is
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really not that much different in the
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niche than some of these other grinders
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the turn what i really like i i'm not a
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big bellows person
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honestly and i think this thing has
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converted me into liking bellows
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i know you can buy a little bellows for
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this but what i did was i actually
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scraped out all the insides and i don't
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know i know people like open and close
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this lid and do the slamming stuff
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and banging banging your hand on top and
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try to get some grounds to come out
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a lot of messing around bellows a couple
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pumps
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and we're at least equal to this
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easily if you're really that concerned
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about 0.2 grams
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that's that's ridiculous so i would say
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this thing overall is outperforming the
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niche
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hands down way bigger motor
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it's equal build quality if not better
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really not a fan of the wood the dosing
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cup
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the plastic dosing cup even though it
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looks cheap
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it fits inside of the aeropress it fits
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inside of your
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58 millimeter portafilter
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and it clips in very nicely the metal
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even though it looks a little bit more
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premium it does not fit in the aeropress
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it does fit inside your portafilter
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which is
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really all i care about i think it's a
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little bit annoying i
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i tend to find myself hitting the spout
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not a big deal
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this thing is still doing quite good
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cups of coffee wise i've been using this
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i'm going to do some more videos i've
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been using it for airpress and v60
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i thought it was going to perform at
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least quite
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quite well it's not
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bad but i don't love it i can definitely
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tell a difference it's just a little bit
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more boring and i've said that before
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when i did the other um turin
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and the atom 75 video on the espresso
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this is boring so
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i need to do this versus this and maybe
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my ditting
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to see what we think about pour over
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i'm just not that convinced on the niche
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is it bad no is it
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the end all that people are saying it is
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i don't know i really don't think it is
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that's just my personal opinion is this
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the end all
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i i really don't think it is either i am
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thinking that
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this turn is much better than the niche
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i know i'm gonna get a lot of hate over
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that it just is what it is i don't
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really care
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i'm not even keeping either of these
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grinders so just giving you personal
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opinion i'm really enjoying this this
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thing has
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really surprised me honestly
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the motor is great really what you're
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buying here
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is burrs i know a lot of people ask me
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questions about the ssp
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i think the herd and steel i think the
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ssp they're not bad
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but are you really getting out of it
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what you think you're getting out of it
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i don't think you
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are but they're not bad it's not a bad
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upgrade
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very happy with this if you're paying
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four to six hundred dollars
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us dollars this thing is solid
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so let me know what you think down in
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the comments
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i'm probably gonna receive a little bit
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of hate over this one but
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overall i think this is pretty apples to
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apples
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half a gram 0.3 grams that's what i got
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this was just live on video i've used
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both of these for
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i've used this one for a solid week i
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used this one for a few weeks i haven't
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cleaned it for
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over a week so it should potentially
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have more in it
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and i would say they performed equally
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we won't say one perform better than the
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other i would say equally
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0.3 to 0.5 is nothing
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this is that's nothing
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negligible so
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quite amazing in both of these really
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and the fact that the niche did it
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without the bellows i mean
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i guess kudos not a big niche fan but
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the bellows really does help and
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my vote goes for the turn so
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again let me know thanks